Talk:Fallen stone

From Plastic Tub

Is it "mommo" or "mommu" - or are these two different things? I changed "mommu" to "mommo", but then discovered that both words also exist in the text on Mormo, so I expect that there's some confusion on my part. Note that Mommu was the Emperor of Japan from 697-707. Since he was born in 683, he was a pretty young chap to be in charge of It All.

--Undule 18:51, 22 May 2005 (EDT) I should add that I have an entry (with multimedia, even) brewing about Mamu - long neglected Sumerian god of Dreams.

--Adkins Holy Cripes, really? What a cool coincidence! Mamu, eh? This is all getting rather confusing...but I changed all refs to Mommo to help clear things up. I think this article needs a lot of work btw. A good start but not quite there. The Kaba must be worked in, I'd forgotten about that. Also....with Mormo, how he became the true god of Mormonism. I suspect Smith was the victim of a Gnomic psy-op. Or, he himself was a gnome. Anyway, Witherspoon has some interesting points, but as you pointed out your lecture, just because the two require blood sacrifice doesn't mean their one and the same. Rock on.

--Undule 17:47, 24 May 2005 (EDT) I think this article is getting a too dense, actually -- shouldn't you break this up? It's losing focus a little -- it's a great piece, but I wonder how it fits into the Tub? The mythological themes seem to cover four maybe five entries. My two cents. Hey, also, if you continue packing this article up, you should consider sending it to Paranoia (http://www.paranoiamagazine.com/) magazine, it's right up their alley. They don't pay, however, but how bad ass would it be to get published there? --- today on saddam stones (http://www.torontofreepress.com/2005/cover052405.htm)

--Adkins That would be very cool indeed! As for your other comments, I think this piece fits into the Tub in a few ways. First of all historically it's just another Mormo origin story, a wacky theory to tangle about with. It also goes to show how this belief is currently influencing Gnomes, putting an Associationalist spin on current events. Finally, it's perfect Tub methodology, blending the fact with the fiction, leaving many to scratch their heads at what is invented and what is based upon historical texts, myths etc. Is it too dense? I'm not sure. The themes are pretty diverse, but really, it is only the fallen stone theme that is explored. The other things that come up aren't treated in any depth at all. It definitely could branch off into other areas, but I think the info included, though diverse, fits together. There could be a section on the pearl alone, or the Ark, or the Grail, but in this article they're only discussed insamuch as they relate to the stone and the decapitations. I think it works well but my initial enthusiasm (grow grow grow) may be misplaced. No need to go too far. Anyway, a very amusing bit of writing. I like yr additions, not shite at all. Gotta keep it as Stimes woulda wanted! Anyway, if it seems better to break it up at some point I'm open to it. For my part, it's allowed me to write in a way somewhat free from the constraints I'd feel if writing for say, Paranoia....so if it comes to something overly dense, we can prune the fucker and send the big version to Paranoia as written by Plastic Tub, et al. Whaddaya say? I'd like to develop it further on the Tub, recognizing that at some later point we'll trim it down, but just letting it follow it's course until done. Thoughts?

-- Payne 20:27, 27 May 2005 (EDT) Hey - I'm in agreement on sending this to Paranoia Mag. I hadn't seen it before, but I think that you're right about this article being right up their alley. As far as developing this article goes, I think, and I'm speaking sort of in general here, we need to allow a certain brainstorming phase. As long as an article is generating new ideas, text and enthusiam, I say we run with it. Speaking of which, Steve's right: your additions weren't shite at all, Tim. I think you've added well to this. Also, I do think that you're absolutely right, Tim, that this will eventually need a good pruning, splitting into multiple pages, tighting up the focus and what not -- but I don't think we should ever rush to do this. Once fresh additions feel like they've petered out, then I think we can move past a brain storming stage and into a finalizing stage. I'm not sure if we've hit that finalizing stage here yet or not, although I've already been considering some ways to split this text into multiple entries. But them's just my two cents. At any rate, it seems like we may be taking this in two directions: 1. Paranoia Mag; 2. Tub. I think that what goes into Paranoia will probably need to be quite different that what goes on the Tub. I guess I'm not sure how to start working on this text with these two separate goals in mind. Ideas?

--Undule 22:02, 27 May 2005 (EDT) Well, Sven has mentioned to me several times the idea of putting articles of this sort on the site as PDF's -- that way they can loop out and get entirely "de-Tubbed" stylewise and still slug right into the Tubiverse. I would say this is a good idea if the article gets much longer. Quick jot.

-- Payne 00:20, 30 May 2005 (EDT) Are you all familiar with Enûma Elish (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/En%FBma_Elish)? It's the (a?) Sumerian creation myth that features the god Mummu, whose father, Marduk, slays the god Kingu and creates mankind from his blood.

--Undule 05:18, 30 May 2005 (EDT) you mean dagon? im thinking you are runninng some kind of pre-emptive slander operation on Mamu. And Dave, I'm not shitting. I kill you fucker. Lord Mamu will not be confused by the willy-nilly co-hortations of vowels and all that business. (btw check your mail, mamu sent you final dreams)

-- Payne 13:30, 30 May 2005 (EDT) Um, no, I think you've mistaken me for a Gnome; this is just information that I thought might help with your Mamu research, not a psy-ops maneuver.

--Undule 16:45, 30 May 2005 (EDT)Oh! Well imagine my embarassment! Here I was thinking you were out to destroy Mamu. (my face is red) Hey but seriously, sven and I finally went out shooting some shizzle yesterday and perhaps we can stitch the goddam thing together soon. I am HUGELY anxious to show you guys what we have so far, but there is the desire not spring the cat's bag to soon, lest it ruin you for the final piece. The way it developed is a testament to the AA process. Also, frankly, there is the problme of size -- it's many megabytes.

Adkins 07:36, 31 May 2005 (EDT) Hoho! Can't wait to see it!